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Hi..  Looking for a reliable SD card that will work well in the NA5 HMI..  I can't afford the Omron SD card.  And, if there's one out there that will work in the $50 or less price range, please let me know... Thanks, Regards, Michael

Crossbow -  It only has a "U" on it's label.  After the "Restore" it's now a "W" ...   ... an' I did have to reduce it a notch .. back to 4.3.3 ... in order to use it with a 1.1 CPU ... Nice to know ya can go back to older versions.

Hi.. Have to fix a failed USB driver install when using Sysmac Studio V1.17.  Trying to log into a NJ CPU .. Noticed on the PC's Device Manager the dreaded exclamation mark: Normally..right click on "Unknown device" and redo the driver installation .. but, ya have to know where the Path to the Omron file where the driver is stored  .. Anyone out there know where that driver is? I love the error window the new Studio pops up: None of those Helpful Hints make any sense, and 3 are kinda silly ...  I'm curious what #1 and #4 means ...  What do IP addresses have to do with USB functionality?   I think the HMI should have an IP address of 192.168.255. xxx   if you are going to connect using USB ... (the Ethernet IP is 192.168.250.2)   I guess I could change it on the home screen .. without logging in?     Then there's the "adapter" question .. there's only one that can be on (selected) at a time .. and it's IPv4 is set to 192.168.250.24  .. again.. what does that have to do with USB?       Aaaaagh! Thanks much for any insight to solving Omron connectivity issues.

Crossbow - As always.. thanks so much for your help...   I am programing over Ethernet now.... just wanted to see it work on USB, and it works fine ...

Crossbow... so far no success... even tho the correct restore files loaded onto the USB memory stick from: https://omca.box.com/s/usbonjwwfoysygb3zp9y81yvxcvs34v0   I've contacted Omron support... might have to wait 'till after the Holidays... Back to the USB Drivers... Lookie:   The above picture is a bit tricky to understand.. you can see I've right clicked on a USB device problem in Device Manager.. and you can see I have entered the path to the driver.  The window on top says that location doesn't exists .. while, the window on the bottom shows the actual path to the USB driver file, which does exist...(if I had clicked on the USB file, you would have seen it in the path too... Is this really all one can do...?  Correction .. I was wrong about there being a "USB" file at the end of the path .. it isn't there.  After Communications Middleware, there are two files that don't lead to USB anything.  

Thanks for the info Solheim95..!      And.. by the way all is well with the newly defined NA5-7W001B (used to be NA5-7U001B     The older Sysmac Studio V 1.16 can logon to both the HMI and NJ101-1000 CPU using both USB and Ethernet .. 'tho the HMI OS is presently V5.1.5  and the CPU is V1.1  .. This might be a small problem when I try and use them together in a project ... sigh...!   

Cool..  That helps a lot..  When I finally went online with the HMI .. the newer version of Studio wanted me to update the HMI's firmware from 4.3.3 to 5.1.5  ...Aaaaagh.. Talk about fear and anxiety when I pushed the "Update" button .. this time it worked.  So far... all's well. Studio logs in using Ethernet.. I'm too afraid to try USB ..  there's some serious do's and don't with the HMI and USB ... Must study that process further. I'm terrible on this forum.. I'm talking about another thread!     Have a Happy Christmas,  Warmest Regards, Michael

Thanks again Crossbow!!!    Hee  Hee  OMG I got ya this time...  There is a NA5-7U .. and you can confirm that in the HMI user manual (I'll look for the page number)  Don't know it's history, but, the book says the two are the same...   That's probably why the Update failed, and killed the HMI ..because it was a NA5-7U ...(well, Mostly Dead ,as they said in the "Princess Bride") Thanks for that info on choosing 1.07 .. then again it does still have to "connect"    to be continued...  

Hmmmmm... well, OK then... Perhaps it was the 8gb USB stick that did the trick.. the one that failed was a 32gb stick...   The good news is the HMI is working now..   'Tho it has a new version number:  V 4.3.3  (kinda a long way from version1.3 .. I think that was where it was before... and it was a NA5- 7U001B  ... now, it's a NA5-7W001B        The problem with that version number, is it's not available on my Sysmac  Studio .. it only goes to V 1.7 in the selection pull-down.  Still trying to go online or login with the HMI.. so far no luck.   Just using direct connection to the HMI only.  IP at 192.168.259.3 for the HMI and 192.168.250.24 for the PC .. can't even ping it yet... sniff! to be continued... thanks much

Hi Crossbow.. That's a very good question... Because the setting of the far right switch to ON .. is nearly impossible, due to it's infinitesimal size (Omron outta get a prize for using a switch assembly so small it can't be seen without a microscope ...     I know the switches were correct... because when you do not have a USB connected, and you power on the HMI .. you get this: so.. the next step is to turn it off, plug in a properly formatted USB stick, or SD card, with the restore software... and turn it back on.. and everything goes as expected. The HMI is fully restored.. to factory settings.  now all ya have to do is turn it off... somehow get that far right DIP switch back to OFF.. and you now have a fully functional HMI. Which I now have... Thank You very much!

I'm using Studio 1.17 ...  it was just updated from 1.1      You would be amazed at how much I don't know.  Certainly, I know what a subfolder is (I think)  (wouldn't it be a folder within a folder... If the suggested path ends at the USB folder.. how would I know which subfolder to select after that?    My V1.17 machine had all the files listed in your suggested path ... I'll go back an see what's after "USB" :  "C:\Program Files(x86)\Omron\Communications Middleware\USB"    I guess the problem is I don't know how to "Tell it to search subdirectories" By the way.. I have successfully restored the problem NA5 HMI .. By using an old 8gb USB stick, and formatting to FAT32 using an old Windows (32bit) machine .. Thanks to BobB's warning about Windows failure to format FAT32 in the manor Omron requires ... who woulda thought.... sigh!

Thanks Crossbow ....  BobB got me thinking about the Windows FAT32 formatting problem.. so I found an old 8gb USB stick, and a Windows (32) bit machine.. loaded the url for the system restore zip.. extracted to E: .. and plugged it into the HMI...  and... it worked!      Life does have meaning.... Thank you all very much for for your help.  This URL is a nice and simple way to obtain the required restore software .zip: https://omca.box.com/s/usbonjwwfoysygb3zp9y81yvxcvs34v0  

Hi BobB   ... Thanks for some real insight on this problem.. I do have a 2gb SanDisk from Amazon coming tomorrow ..  I'll give it a try without formatting. By the way, just to be sure..... on my Windows 7 (64 bit) ...  when you select "format" for a memory stick/card ...and you select out of 4 choice, the "FAT32" choice.... Are you saying, that won't work in the NA5 HMI?   How about if I use an old PC Windows 7 (32 bit) and format to FAT32 .. perhaps?    In any case, I'll first try without formatting when the card gets here. The NA5 HMI User's Manual says "To format a USB Memory Device (e.g., to delete all of the data), use a Windows formatting utility and format to FAT32" If this doesn't work ...  this is not good to hear about Omron.  Naturally they want us to buy the $500  "Omron" SD card:  HMC-SD291 (with the "special' formatting)  This is why I left Siemens (well, one of the many reasons) .. I chose Omron NJ because it actually was a real advance from other ways of doing things...   Ya know, they also want you to purchase their USB stick: FZ-MEM2G at $260 ... REALLY!   That's probably why "my" USB stick failed to do the "System Restore" above.    What are we saying here.. my $200 PC has no problem recognizing a "standard" USB stick, but a $2000 HMI can't.     I had to do a firmware update on a $3000 TV a few years back.. and it worked fine, using a cheep USB stick... Sigh!! I'll post what happens .. still waiting for Omron Support to respond (might be after Christmas) ... Thanks again for your help, much appreciated   MERRY CHRISTMAS! Regards, Michael PS:  I wonder if the 32gb was too much for the USB stick.. I'll dig around and look for 2 or 4 gb .. then there;s that FAT32 via windows question....  

By the way .. here is A URL to the file that you need For NA5 HMI System Restore  ... to extract to a USB or SD Card:     https://omca.box.com/s/usbonjwwfoysygb3zp9y81yvxcvs34v0 You get two files on the USB drive:  Unfortunately, this hasn't solved the restore problem yet.. HMI didn't read the USB Stick, when powered on ... USB stick was formatted to FAT32 and blank before the extraction from  Zip file on the link.   Those files really look like what you would need to restore the NA5...   sigh! Have contacted Omron Support.  

Hi Donovanr .. Thanks for the reply.. looks like a good option ... might be a problem  with the Update to V1.17 ...  I'm not sure what you mean by "sub folders" ..  or "subdirectories"   I should have asked Crossbow what that meant when he first gave me the search path, top of this post ...

Hi Bob .. thanks for the reply... YES.. but certainly not to the NJ controller... just the HMI... the main use is to do the "System Restore" ... because the HMI can't do it using a good quality USB memory stick.. which means it doesn't see my USB stick even with the proper restore software: The above files were extracted to the USB stick from this source for a NA5 HMI System Restore: https://omca.box.com/s/usbonjwwfoysygb3zp9y81yvxcvs34v0 But, sniff... it didn't work .. so, I want to try with a SD Card.. but can't afford a $500 SD Card.. I'm just a hobbyist, studying Omron & LinMot (all from eBay)..  

Thanks Crossbow (I do like your cat) I'm contacting Omron this morning about what to do with the no longer functioning HMI their software disabled.  

By the way.. I really mean "I'm such a nube"  .. when info is plainly in the manuals, I should find it .. and I felt bad asking the Forum about info I should have found. I do appreciate your Tolerance for kindly answering questions that are sometimes obvious if the questioner does a little research.    Your help is much appreciated ... if that isn't a cat in your picture .. what is it?

Hi Crossbow ... I was referring to the cool picture .. looks to me like a creature from SiFi .. love it .. I just called it a Cat to be funny .. and methinks you misunderstood my attempts at being silly .. I obviously made some mistakes following the Firmware install suggestions from Sysmac Studio login... and was a bit miffed that that happened... well written software should help prevent such things.   Could you please be more specific where I made offense.  Never my intention.  I strongly appreciate all the help you do here. 

WOW!  Crossbow .. I searched the manuals..DUH... Even looked for keywords like "restore" ..  I'm such a nube... sorry to bother the Forum, when the solution is in the manuals...Thanks much for your tolerance.  AND help. Found the info .. all looks good.. but I don't understand how to do step 2 (the actual steps necessary): The rest looks easy.. but.. step 2 is not intuitively obvious ...    

Hi Berti Thanks for the reply... It does sound like a rather bad choice doesn't it ...     But, it's quite normal for the Sysmac Studio to notice a version mismatch between the device and the Sysmac expectation ...   I've seen that before.. yet, am very new to Omron.  I assumed it connected, yet there was a "version" incompatibility .. how else would you fix it, if not click the upgrade button.. there was every indication that the new Sysmac V1.17, knew what it was doing. Previously, Sysmac couldn't connect to the HMI via USB.. and the reason was failure to install the USB driver.  I noticed that by looking at the PC's Device Manager.  But, couldn't fix that because I had no idea where the USB drivers were located in the Omron files. (assuming they are) ...  The next option was "Direct connect via Ethernet".. that's where the window popped up suggesting a version fix.. and offering to "Fix it"   ...  well. it didn't ... sigh!  

Hi .. There isn't a date (year)  on this post.. and I have the same question... TIMK5000 did you find anything out there?    ... Besides the 31 HMI YouTube Videos ... ?

Hello Innoaloe Thanks for the reply, and your interest in the "why" of this project.  The "Random Sea" is only a small part of the requirements for a model ocean simulator.  usually, these tanks of water are quite large.. holding millions of gallons.  However, in museums, and educational environments where marine science is explored, smaller wave tanks, or "wave flumes" are used to study physical oceanography,  motion dynamics of floating structures, and coastal/ocean interactions.. such as tsunamis. The waves are often generated by a moving structure, such as a hinged flap, or bouncing wedge, or moving wall.  Most of the time a simple sine wave is all that is needed to produce waves of  precise amplitude, and frequency.  When a model of a floating  structure is placed in this environment, and if it has been made following modeling laws of mass distribution, and dimension .. the model will behave precisely the way it would in the real world.    These wave flumes are common in universities for study,  and are found in some museums to display floating structure stability, and instability.. and even make model tsunamis. As for the NJ's ability to create this "random curve" ... it might not be impossible.. At smaller scales, and for demonstration purpose, the "randomness" may not be required .. However.. One would expect to see a "Rogue Wave" now and then .. created exactly the same way nature does it .. the brief, simultaneous combining of several waves, at one moment in space and time. I am new to Omron Sysmac Studio ..  I believe there are function block like features, within the ladder logic, which can be mathematical expressions that you write, and if the NJ is a true "Motion Controller", it should be able to provide position voltage, as a function of that mathematical equation, on the fly, recalculated each cycle time.  .. or Not The NJ may not have a "random number" generator available to modify an equation .. and that would result in a some "sequence repeats" ... which would be kinda OK, as long as there were many sinusoidal components ... so many, that repeats would not be noticeable.    The result would be a spectra of many spikes, rather than a smooth curve like the red one above. It's interesting that one could link the NJ to Matlab.   I wouldn't know how to do that, and it might not be necessary.  The "equation" for the "look" of the random sea is simply a summation of sine waves.  A good random sea for model studies requires a little more sophistication.   However, I'm thinking the NJ ought to be able to solve a 10 wave series of sines, phase locked and create position control from that sum in real time... for a LinMot EtherCAT drive, within the cycle time of the CPU.          

I think I'm "good-to-go" with the LinMot connectivity issue .. It has to be the "DS" model..  LinMot makes three (or more?)  EtherCAT drivers.   The C1250-DS-XC (Cia402)(CoE) was recommended .. they also make a C1150-DS -XC  ... which is the one used as an "axis" example in the just published "PLC commissioning" manual for their drivers.   (hmmmm?) In case you are wondering why the LinMot driver.. well, it's because there are billions of cycles needed... and, I like the idea of using mechanics with only one moving part...