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Hello Guys... I am looking for older firmware for above cited 317F CPU. It came with 3.2.7 fw and Siemens website shows up to 3.1. I am looking for fw 2.5. This is for a customer that wants to keep the FW frozen to older version for all copies of that machine. However, I tried to download the program (made for older FW cpu) and the safety portion does not download. Online CPU message shows "firmware V2.5, can be used for safety applications"!! So, is there a link to Siemens or by miracle somebody has this "CPU_HD.UPD" file?

You should definitely take some courses on Step7. There are many things that are different and should I say not "intuitive" in Siemens world. You will need a initial "this is how things are done" bang on head. More so if you are used to other brands of PLC. The Step7 programming guide is available on siemens support website, here is the link. http://support.automation.siemens.com/WW/llisapi.dll?func=cslib.csinfo〈=en&objid=45347992&caller=view I have done A-B, Omron, Mitsubishi and Siemens, Siemens still surprises me from time to time.

Not 100% sure, but I think you should be able to erase it using "SIMATIC USB-Prommer".

UPDATE: The The QW s are not being transferred to PQW and also PIWs are not transferred to IW. No fault on CPU, no message etc for the cards. It is in Run Mode, DI & DO cards do change status. When I added a transfer from QW to PQW, cards give +/- 10V O/P!! Hardware in question :Remote ET200S on profinet talking with IM11-8F PN/DP CPU. Card placement IM 6ES7-151, Power supply 6ES7-138, AO cards 6ES7-135 (x2), AI cards 6ES7-134 (x2), DO cards 6ES7-132 (x2), DI cards 6ES7-131 (x1) Hi, In one of the tool, the AO channels are set for +/- 10V. In Simatic Manager, online, the QW for the o/p shows changing value but the on the card it contantly shows 0 VDC, no changes. When all terminals are open it shows 15.5VDC, with 1,2 shorted and 3,4 shorted as per manual, it shows 0V (with or without load). Checked wiring as per manual, no card faults available online. The AO card doesn't have much to offer on diagnostic. Any idea?

Hello, I have a RSView 32 Runtime with limited tags (150) so want to reduce total tags by putting bits together in one tag as DINT (32 bits). I imported the DINT tags to RSView and it shows up as "Long Integer", fair enough. Now in the RSView32 I want to use individual bits (0 to 31) as a tag for say Push button and lamp. I don't see a straight forward solution for this. I went through RSView32 User Manual (vw32-um001_-en-e), RSView32 Getting Results (vw32-gr001_-en-e) and part of this forum but can't find it. I also checked the derived tags section but don't know if it can help! Hence I'm sharing this problem with you super talented people. Hope to hear something back soon

neilr216 & OkiePC, Thanks for the inputs. the Display portion is working now. I found few things. 1. I created memory tags with type analog. But this tag has to be either integer or long integer data type. "default" or other types doesn't work. I read some where that it can't be "floating point' but I guess I got confused between "type" and "data type" available under the same group. Partly my mistake. 2. I created some derived tags with these expressions but it looks like in "test run" mode the derived tags are not updated/calculated so difficult to test. So far the indication portion is clear, I expect the push button logic also to be same. Will post if I face more challenges..

OkiePC, Thanks for Reply and the link. My problem is mainly in RSView. On PLC/Logix5000 side its no problem at all. Let me explain one more time what I'm trying to do. In RSView I have 32 buttons and 32 lamps/indicators. But I don't have individual digital tags for each of this. I have long integer (DINT in PLC) for each of this. When I press a button I want a corresponding bit to turn on in this long integer. Same way when one of the status bit is ON from PLC in a long integer, I want to extract that bit and it. I did go through the sample and created some of my own but the bitwise instructions didn't work for me. I am not sure if anything has changed in RSView since June2007 but all the bitwise instruction results into no value for digital or analog tag in RSView. On the contrary a logical expression like " If Temp_DINT == 8 Then 1 Else 0" did give me correct value for the digital tag. However I can't use it unless I'm masking all the other bits! Can't believe, so much effort is needed just to get to bit level from DINT. I am sure there is a hidden way or may be so obvious, not worth mentioning on RSView documentation...I'm stumped ..need more suggestions

Gentlemen, I was reading this interesting post as I am also working with PIDE for the first time. PIDE has many advantages line cascade/ratio control, bumpless transfer etc. But, as correctly pointed out, there are so..many parameters, difficult to digest all at once. I guess putting the PIDE in periodic task, the easiest way to run but it asks for the input (PV) update to be faster then the periodic task. Depending upon the filter setting for the channels of AI card, the Real Time Sampling would be some number. I guess the periodic task timer should be set higher then this value. If you guys can share the PIDE you used, it would be great help.

Hello everybody, I am working on a project where RSView32 has to talk with Compact logix L35E processor. As I understand so far, there is no direct driver connection between these two as RSView32 is from PLC5, SLC era. The communication has to go through OPC (which is RSLinx Classic in my case, no third party OPC). Now questions, 1. How to import the tags created in 5K to RSView so that I don't have to type all tags. Built-in help files are not very useful. 2. I need to create DDE/OPC topic in RSLinx with a data source (PLC) that is alive on network. Is this required before above tag import is done (to define node etc?) 3. Is there a document that clearly describes what is required on RSLinx and RSView to create this OPC connection with Compactlogix?

OK, so figured out the way to import the tags after all..Just want to share. There are three different steps given below. A. Convert the RSLogix 5000project into L5K format In RSLogix5000 version 2.1 or later, save the file as L5K by selecting File > Save Asand selecting file type L5K. (Note: this is not export, the whole project is beingsaved as L5K) B. Convert theL5K project to CSV tag format for RSView32 Start the RSView32Tag Import utility located at Start > Programs > Rockwell Software > RSView32 Tools > RSLogix 5000 Tag Import.Select Create "RSViewtag CSV file". (This is the default selection.)Select "for"RSView32 version 7.0 or greater, RSView32 below version 7.0. Type in the name of the node to use when creating tags. (If a node is created in RSView, copy pastethat name. It does ask in the end while importing to RSView, see step C.1)Select a scan class. Click Configure to choose which tag types will be visible in the tag list.Click Browse and select the L5K file that wasexported earlier.Click Search or type characters in the filter to reduce the number of tags displayed.Select the tags to be imported and then click OK.In the Save As window, specify a CSV file to save the tags to and click OK. C. To importtags into RSView32 Use the Import and Export utility to import the CSV file into your project. For RSView32, select Start> Programs > Rockwell Software > RSView32Tools > Database Import and Export Wizard Hope this will be useful..

Hi everybody, In one of my project I have to use couple of PID controllers on Logix5K. I don't have much exposure to PID instruction. Moreover, there is PID and PIDE (enhanced), I don't know which one to use. Also, there are lots of tags under base tag "PID", want to learn how to use many of those tags. I know the SP, PV, KP, Ki & KD etc. I am trying to control flow by one controller and the other is a level controller that will adjust flow setpoint (tweak it by say 10-20%). This is neither cascade nor ratio control, to the best of my knowledge. Two separate controllers with possibility of using the O/P of one to partially adjust the setpoint of second. If you gentlemen could point to documentation on PID instruction and few examples, would greatly appreciate it. I am sure there would be lots of discussion on this forum in past but searching for "PID" in forums doesn't give me any results! Am I missing anything?

OK, found it on knowledge base after login (I have TechConnect access level). I am pasting the link below, it will ask for login info. Create an account if you don't already have one. http://rockwellautomation.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/40236/kw/40236

Armadillo, Is this article "40236 - Basic Setup Help for Logix PID" on knowledge base or somewhere else? The A-B websites are huge, past few searches revealed nothing..Would appreciate if you can post link. Thanks.. Michael, I would like to know the reasons why you prefer PIDE, Enhanced sounds better then regular PID but what are the technical advantages. I used PIDs 12 years back on PLC5 so don't remember much. Need some insight here.. On second point, I don't think it is a cascade as the O/P of first is not the setpoint of second loop. Both loops has their own PV and setpoints. The flow loop has Final control element, level loop doesn't have any. The flow loop will run as an independent loop till level loop is engaged. Level loop is just to fine tune the flow setpoint (only say 20%), it does not give SP to flow loop. That is the reason I stayed away from primary/secondary or inner/outer or master/slave lingo.. Thanks for quick reply friends..

Factory talk view studio release 6.00.00 (CPR9 SR3) on windows virtual machine.

I am using "Windows Virtual PC" that comes with W7. No third party VM software. Logix 5000 15 to 19, RSView Works, Factory Talk View Studio etc. are running without issue. Haven't tried to connect or go online though. However over ethernet I don't see a problem as similar siemens virtual machine worked fine on profinet.

Hi, I am using Beijer Information designer 1.5 to program Exter M70 mobile panel. A-B Compact logix is the PLC. In the application there are two HMIs, one is left hand and other is Right Hand. I have the program done for the Left hand with all the tags starting with LH_xxxxx. I need to duplicate whole application with just the tag name as RH_xxxxx (and some screen headings). I don't see any tag list or import export of the tags in Info designer. Which means I have to go to individual device (on screen) and change it there. This is not only tedious but in multi layerd screens, I could miss something. Is there a better way to find-replace tags?

pfort, G9SP is the Programmable safety Controller, I would be using a safety monitoring relay, similar to G9SB or G9SA. I assume that the monitoring ckt would have less then 10mA current ( as you mentioned 6mA for G9SP), but if you can check it I would appreciate it. The question here is how sensitive this monitoring ckts are to circuit resistance and voltage drops as a result. If it results into nuisance tripping, would be a trouble. Most instruments etc can handle 5-6VDC drop at least, but I am not so sure about safety monitoring circuits.

Ken, By the discussion it looks encouraging. Do you know the length of cable and the controller (make/model) that you used. Few days back I was talking with Omron people, some of their controller has 5V pulse check and some has +24V, -24VDC on each channel. I would be interested in the current it draws (Omron didn't have definite answer at that moment) while doing this check so that I can calculate the voltage drop. As far as the cable price goes, I think 18AWG and 12AWG multi conductor cable would have significant price difference for this 1KM length.

24VDC on 18AWG, 3500 ft carrying 100mA would have 5.4VDC drop, still good for most instruments etc. I can boost the voltage at source if required. See, http://www.csgnetwor...gedropcalc.html Fieldbus and Wireless are not possible as restricted by customer. This application has hazardous liquid being transported 3500ft from controller. The operator at that end would like to stop pumping in case of trouble. My question is very specific, would the E.stop controller's power supply (that does frequent circuit check) be able to handle it or not.. Since I don't know it those pulses are 5V. 24V or any other weird number.

Thanks for all the links dmargineu, I am leaning towards soft starter for smoother controls.

Hi, I have an application where in addition to usual control stuff, I have to start/stop two 20HP pumps (only one at a time). At first I started with single contactor with o/l relay but now I'm thinking it would draw too much startup current. So question is should I use star-delta starter or a soft starter? I have PLC and PC in the same control panel. Any suggestions with circuit diagrams and/or catalog numbers (Allen-Bradley preferred) would be highly appreciated.

Hi, I have some legacy hardware 5/03 and PV550 with DH485 ports. I've never worked on the DH485 nework so kinda new... I think I read somewhere, the last nodes on DH485 should be have terminating resistor, but PLC and HMI has this RJ45 connector so unlike the phoenix type connector there is no jumper points (or at least I'm not aware). So how to do this. Second, I want to put a programming port on panel (on DH485 network) so that I can program both PLC and HMI without opening the enclosure. What is the best way to do this? Another way I'm thinking is to connect the PV550 directly with 5/03 on DH485, and use the RS232 port of the 5/03 as programming port. I hope there is a pass-through possible for programming PV (DF1>5/03 port2 > 5/03 port1 > PV550!). However, I'm again not sure about the termination thing. I also have 1761-Net-AIC but if not required, I'd rather save it.

Thanks a Lot Mickey.

Hi, I have a project that has to use some existing, old, hardware. It includes following, SLC 5/03 (1747-L532) processor with DH485 and RS232C ports PV1000 (2711-T10C9) with RS232C port (second RS232 for printer) PV550 (2711-B5A8) with DH+ port (second RS232 port, I think for pronter only) First question - How to connect these two HMI on same CPU. 1761-NET-AIC can do DH485 to RS232 but how to add DH+? (I am not sure if DH+ port on PV550 can be configured as DH485 or the DH485 on PLC as DH+ etc.) Second question - I want to install a programming port on the enclosure to access all three devices (one port to access all three), if it is possible, how?

Hi, I am adding a Sinamics S120 station on profibus DP on 317F-2 DP processor. The hardware includes a CU320, 16KW Smart Line module (SLM) and two Dual Motor Modules. The SLM and DMM will be connected to CU320 on drive CliQ. My question is regarding HW config on PLC side, to begin with. I have reserved 4 words for CU, 16 words each per axis. How many words are required by SLM? Also, is there a specific sequence in which this words should be allocated. i.e. first CU then SLM then Axes etc.. I tried to go through the S120 commissioning manual, List manual, book size power module manual, some portion of S7 programming manual but not clear how to do it. Is there a specific document for this? Also, after adding words for CU320 and Axes, on save and compile an error pops-up saying process data is incosistent, "The process image assignment must not be disabled for the output address area (address 492, length 32 bytes) because the CPU you are using does not support this." is there a setting somewhere to allow all these words? Would appreciate a hint on relavent documents I should refer to.