Steve Bailey

Have you replaced any of the Genius blocks recently? A loop test on the Genius outputs is enabled/disabled in the Genius block configuration. The test turns on the output for a few milliseconds and checks for current flow to verify the integrity of the circuit. If you installed a complete block assembly (electronic module plus the wiring base), you might have missed enabling the pulse test. A timeout message might indicate that a loop test was commanded but the block failed to acknowledge it. It sounds to me like it is a feature programmed by the supplier of the equipment. A pulse test can be commanded by a datagram directed to the block. The function code for a pulse test command is &H10. Look in the ladder logic for COMREQ instructions. Information on datagrams can be found in the Genius System and Communications manual GEK90486F-1. You can find manuals at GE's support site https://ge-ip.force.com/communities/CC_Community

I'm familiar with the product line that was labeled GE Fanuc, which carried the model number 90/70. Is the 90/73 a Fanuc variant of that? I'm also not familiar with an "auto test" feature on the GE Fanuc product. Could the auto test be a feature provided by the  machine builder? Where do you see the message you cited? On an HMI screen? In the PLC's fault tables? The GE Fanuc 90/70 allowed the programmer to create custom fault messages which would appear in the PLC's fault tables, so perhaps the message you're seeing is directing you to contact the machine builder. Sorry to offer more questions than answers.

The ratio between the master and slave is Number of master encoder pulses for one rotation of the rewind drum divided by Number of slave encoder pulses to move the width of the material.

That's best practice regardless of the module you're specifying. Whenever I see brochures touting "Universal" anything I'm reminded of a cartoon I saw many years ago. It was a picture of an "Acme Universal Processor" featuring a two-position selector switch. The positions were labeled "Food" and "Word".

You will have to add ladder logic to the PLC program. Use a SVC_REQ function to get the CPU's clock and calendar data and store it in %R memory.  Read the Proficy Machine Edition help file for information on how to set up the SVC_REQ function using function code 7 (Set/Read clock/calendar).

I'm sorry, but I don't know what you're asking. I have never used the Siemens HMI, so I can't give any guidance on that. Modbus address 400000 should correspond to PLC address %R00001. Modbus address 100000 should correspond to PLC address %I00001. Modbus address 000000 should correspond to PLC address %Q00001. Modbus address 300000 should correspond to PLC address %AI0001.

I assume that by "Proxy Machine" you mean Proficy Machine Edition software. Post a list of the files in your program folder. They may have been created using older software, either Logicmaster or Versa Pro. If that is the case they will need to be imported into a Proficy Machine Edition project.

Go to the GE support site. The "landing page" for the CPUE05 is located here: https://ge-ip.force.com/communities/en_US/Article/IC200CPUE05-Landing-Page Follow the links to the VersaMax user's manual, GFK-1503E which identifies which signals are carried on which pins (Chapter 4). You may need to set up a free user account to get to the manual. 

Yes. You will need the programming software for the PLC. You have to modify the hardware configuration to configure one of the serial ports as a Modbus RTU slave.

Does the HMI support Modbus? The serial ports on the CPUE05 can be configured for Modbus RTU.

The "Logic not Equal" message is a result, not a cause. The message is telling you that the program in the memory of the computer running Logicmaster is not the same as what is running in the PLC. In your case it is because the attempt to extract the program from the PLC (upload) failed. Try uploading at a slower baud rate. Which Workmaster do you have, the boat anchor with the tiny screen or the luggable one with the floppy drive that folds out? Another possibility is if the program in the PLC was created with TISoft instead of Logicmaster. I'm not sure if Logicmaster can read a TISoft program. When Texas Instruments took over that product line they were giving away TISoft software and were trying their best to move the users from GE to TI. So they weren't interested in making it easy for end users to keep using Logicmaster. If you can get in touch with an old-timer in Automation Direct tech support they might be able to guide you about potential compatibility issues.

I don't quite understand what you're saying here : Do you mean that you can't extract the program from the PLC? What sort of message does Logicmaster show when you try? What version of Logicmaster are you using? There were more than one. There Was Logicmaster One Jr for the Series One Junior. There was a version that was only good for some of the early CPU models. If you have a Series One Plus, you need the Logicmaster One Family version. 

If it was OK to begin with, the act of uploading to PME won't change that. If there was something wrong with it, the act of uploading won't correct it.

When you upload a program from the PLC to the computer running Proficy Machine Edition and the program was created by Logicmaster or VersaPro, it will sow as "Not Equal" until you download from PME back to the PLC. If it was originally programmed in 1998 it could have created with either Logicmaster or VersaPro.

If I remember correctly that error was a DOS issue. I think it had to do with something in your config.sys file. Check the readme.lm6 file included with Logicmaster 6 software for more details.

Here's a tip that may help you prevent overlaps like that in the future. When you create a new timer, instead of entering the specific %R address, simply type in "%R". Logicmaster will select the next available address for you, taking into account the fact that timers and counters use three consecutive addresses. It won't fill in unused gaps in the memory area. It only keeps track of the highest used address  for each memory type. The trick works for all memory types. Just remember to include the percent sign. If you forget it Logicmaster will think that the letter "R" (or any other memory type) is a variable nickname and tell you it doesn't exist. GE continued that feature in subsequent programming software packages. It also works with VersaPro and Proficy Machine Edition.

Timer functions in the 90-30 use three consecutive register addresses. Assuming that REG0128 is actually addressed to %R128, when you check for other usage of %R128 you should also check for other usage of %R129 and %R130. The TMR function must be the only instruction writing to those three addresses for proper operation.  

CB Pacific and Gexpro are both authorized distributors for your area. Contact either of them and ask for their automation specialist.

The software to program the VersaMax PLC is called Proficy Machine Edition. You can get it from any GE PLC distributor. Since you didn't say where you are located I can't suggest anyone in particular, but if there is a GEXPRO (formerly GE Supply) office in your area that would be a good place to start. There are two styles of VersaMax PLCx. There is a modular style which features a CPU module and individual I/O modules. There is also a "brick" style, called the VersaMax Micro which features a CPU base with a mixture of I/O points and up to four expansion units. There are different feature levels of Proficy Machine Edition software. The lowest cost is limited to the VersaMax Micro. The mid-priced feature level is required for the modular VersaMax. Software for the Click PLC line is limited to Click PLCs. The only other software that you could use to program The GE VersaMax PLC line is called VersaPro. It was superseded by Proficy Machine Edition. VersaPro was also a GE product and limited to programming GE PLCs. I don't know what you mean by "NOS PLC combo".

I believe you will need your HMI target to be a Windows PC rather than a Quick Panel View/Control.

What signals do you have available to you?

That message in Logicmaster tells me the program and configuration in the PLC were created using VersaPro. That means you can't use Logicmaster to extract the program. To do it, you will need the version of VersaPro that supports the 90-30. Have you tried contacting your local GE distributor? Maybe they can get you a VP installation CD with the correct version. That's a rather large program for a PLC with only 5 I/O slots.

You won't be able to use your instance of VersaPro with the 90-30. What you have is only good for the VersaMax Micro and Nano models. As you can see by the copyright date 1999 was around the time of transition from Logicmaster to VersaPro, so the program could have originally been written with either package. Early versions of VersaMax were quite buggy. Many long-time Logicmaster users delayed making the transition as long as possible. The PLC should be new enough to be compatible with the version of Logicmaster you have. The only compatibility issues I ever ran into with Logicmaster were with very old firmware versions of the PLC. Logicmaster 9.02 was current in the time period when the unit was installed. CPU313U is firmware version 8.4 which dates to around that time period. However, if it was programmed with VersaPro, you will not be able to extract the program from it with Logicmaster, no matter what version you have.

First and foremost. Your interpretation of the terms "Upload" and "Download" is the opposite of the way both Logicmaster and VersaPro define them. Be very very careful that you don't accidentally erase the program. For example, if you were to create a new project folder with no logic in it and then perform what the software calls a "download" you would wipe out the program in the PLC. To the software, "download" is the transfer from the PC to the PLC. What were the exact words in the message Logicmaster gave you? How old is the PLC? You may not have the correct version of VersaPro. They sold a version that was limited to the VersaMax Micro product line. That version can't program a 90-30. It is also possible that you created a new project in VersaPro for a VersaMax Micro PLC instead of for a 90-30. If that is the case, create a new project and select the 90-30 as the PLC model. To do that, launch VP but don't open a project file. Then, from the "Tools" menu, select "Options" and select "Series 90-30" in the "Default Hardware Configuration" window.

If it is a recent model of Quick Panel with an Ethernet port you will probably need Proficy Machine Edition. It gets more complicated with earlier models that used a serial link and an 8-pin DIN style programming port. That requires a special cable with a TTL/RS232 converter built into it. Also, the original programmer must have included the source code in the file he/she downloaded to the unit. If the only file residing on the QP is the compiled runtime file you're out of luck. Unfortunately there is no way to know if the source file is present is to try to upload. If the upload fails you will get a notice that the upload is not possible.