Hi,
I am waiting for an answer from my distributor but it's been way too long. I don't think I'll get a sure answer out of them. I am importing machines built in Europe to US and got a copy of the programs from my colleagues overseas. All of the relevant files have a .sct extension. I warned my distributor of my situation before purchasing and they thought that IEC designation was just the European version of the software. Well, yes it is, but I also cannot open these files. I'm starting to understand that these are also older files before the software dealt with projects and that may be an issue as well. Some of these machines go back to IEC ver 5!, but even the ver 7 offline files are a folder full of .sct files.
Do you have any advice if I purchase Works if I will be able to open these files so I have a documented offline file?

Let me know what other info you need...

Also, now that I got online and saved the file in GX as a project, I am wondering if there is a way to import the comments from the other files. Since they are different file types I seriously doubt it but am trying to think of it from every angle.

GX developer software just purchased latest and various Fx plc and one A2SH plc I'm dealing with...


Any backup/restore feature or import feature that may help??

It's possible to import GX Developer programs into GX IEC Devloper but not from GX IEC Developer to GX Developer.

GX Works is able to import GX Developer and GX IEC Developer programs however GX Works doesn's support A series PLC's

I'm glad you warned me about the A series! I would have been upset to find that out the hard way!

When you say import, will that also deal with the comment I made about thinking these programs were developed before "projects" were used? I may have to e-mail one program to my vendor and make them prove they can open it before I buy anything

What do you mean with "before project we're used???"

You can import IEC files two ways open other porject or import ASCII file.
I haven't had any problems so far. If you wish you can post a project and I will test it for you.

The project comment is from my vendor becuase they have never heard of .sct files.
I want to be careful here becuase I think they could be on to something. I got online with the one PLC yesterday, uploaded, and saved. What I see on my hard drive is a .gps and .gpj project file and some supporting folders with things like a comment file.

However, the programs I have are just a folder full of .sct files. I'll try and zip up what I have and post it shortly...

ONe machine I am trying to support
Wish I had the right software

Unfortunatly my version of GX Works(v1.16) only imports GX IEC project for system Q.
Guess you should ask your distributer which version you need or show you a converted project.

BTW, I didn't mean to zip up both copies. It looks like the 80202v1 folder would be one copy of the program as it was built and then the Browser, Debug, Temp folders in the PLC folder are the latest copy of the program. Didn't mean to confuse with two programs but I'm sure if you can open it you'll figure it out.

Anybody that is able to open it, would you mind saving it in some format that GX Developer can use?!

If you must have it in GX Developer format I guess some of us could download the GX IEC project to a PLC, and then use GX Developer to upload the project again..... I'm pretty sure this works, and I could do it (or Gambit could do it).......

I'm not able until friday, anybody else any sooner?

It is possible but you would get a compiled project which is hard to read.
I would start working with IEC Developer.
GX can be imported into IEC and has a lot of benefits like FB's.

Wait a minute! I found a printout of the program! But it is in some other format than ladder. I think I can follow it and I think I can use this to get comments for my internal bits. Off to start translating it to English!
Still curious if anybody can open the zip file I posted and what you used to open it. I don't trust the Works software will work. My vendor won't bother to take a copy of this program to give to the factory. I just got off the phone with him again. I need to work with him so he will allow me to return GX Developer and buy a copy of Works maybe. By tomorrow I'll be calling Mit. directly myself.

You posted two projects. If you want I can make a PDF printout

Swedish

Excuse for the intrusion to the talk. The project, converted to last version GX IEC, is attached Click to view attachment

Hi Inntele.

His problem is that he doesn't have GX IEC Developer at all (he only has GX Developer)..... Thanks for the contribution but I think you've misunderstood the topic a little.....

That's the printout I just found. Wish it was in ladder format but it's useable. That's what I will use to get comments until my vendor catches up with me and fully supports what I'm trying to do.
Thanks

that is interesting that it is still many .sct files. Strange.

I think that karre_t was on to something getting a PLC and two versions of the software involved but that is way too much work!

At this point since I found a printout I appologize that I just need advice on purchsing Works version of the software and if it will open what I attached?

Ja!

Dear 'kaare_t',

I've understood the problem of 'BJR', but I agree with 'Gambit'. The conversion of IEC Project to GX Developer project is possible, but will lead to losing of some functionality. I think, more easy to find or to buy GX IEC Developer.

This may be true. If I understand the other posts, IEC will open my files. I do not plan on building any new equipment with Mitsubishi so I don't think I need also GX Dev support. Works promises both, but someone already has trouble opening these files with Works. Maybe I ask to exchange my GX Dev for IEC?

Hi 'BJR',

I have not GX Works software, therefore I cann't check it, however, may be the files, which already converted to IEC v7, can be open with GX Works without any problem...

No.

At this time GX Works cannot import GX IEC FX PLC projects. However, if you would like, I could take your existing project, convert it to a Q PLC, import it to GX Works and then change it back to FX PLC....... Regarding the A PLC, GX Works won't work on that.

This would be no problem at all for me. The same with downloading/uploading the code to a PLC, it's done in a matter of minutes, the only problem is that you won't have the source files and the comments will probably not be uploaded in GX Developer.....

Let me know what you want.....

BTW do you speak Swedish (or any other Scandinavian) language?

Inntele: Sorry, my mistake!

Very pleasant

I have not GX Works software, therefore I cann't check it, however, may be the files, which already converted to IEC v7, can be open with GX Works without any problem...

GX WORKS 2 don't open IEC project.

Yes, GX Works 2 opens IEC projects (except FX-Series)!!!

No.Only ext. Sul and asc.Where?

Works fine for me:

Where

Dear 'kaare_t'

Your idea to double-change type of CPU is very good, but alas it is impossible, for example, in GX IEC Developer (for FX to Q and contrary).

The project for IEC v7, which I have uploaded, is not compiled, because previously is need to make several corrections for variables in FB's Header.

The latest is I am waiting to see if I can return my copy of GX Developer. I warned my vendor of compatability issues so he is trying to get it approved for return. I will purchase IEC version but it will be two weeks wait!
In the meantime I will print out the pdf Gambit provided me to follow the program. I have a printout of my own in the machine documentation but it does not have the information I need to follow the ladder I am online with. There were no M numbers or X or Y numbers in the printout. Only the Alias(?) and comment. I could not do anything with my printout. Thanks Gambit!

And unfortunately I don't know Swedish. But I found a good online translator that allowed me to follow the electrical prints very well. Next week I will have a colleague here permanently relocating that will translate for me.

Thanks for all of the help. If IEC version will work for sure I am not going to mess with the GX Works at all. I can't afford to keep trying things that might not work.

Gambit - was either copy of this program fully documented???? For example what is M608 for? Or any M address greater than M500?

Your project contains system variables from M512. This means that they are handled by the compiler and are not statically assigned! Gambit's printout shows everything in your application. Basically all the devices you can see are "Global" variables (statically assigned addresses), while the local variables (the variables which have only a name) are handled by the compiler (and may get a different address at compile time).

The printouts shows everything.

Be careful when posting the about screen, as your serial number shows in it!

I removed the image from the post which had the serial number.

And where do you guys keep getting engineering sample versions? 1.12 is latest release candidate I know about, and that -D07 after the 1.16Q indicates a non-release engineering sample version.

I understand global and local from other brands of PLC. So, could the local variable comments have been lost during the conversion between software packages?

Or is the first 10 pages or so the global variables. Then after the program printout starts and there are more charts with variables - those are the local and there is no column in the chart to reference the bit number? Only the variable name shows up? LIke on page 11 of the first pdf, VAR M_FelTid is a BOOL and COULD be M515 or something like that -some M bit?

If you search the program and find M608, is there a comment for it? Are all of you that can open this file viewing it as ladder diagrams? Why does the printout show more of a block diagram format? That is the same format my printout has and it does not seem like it matches the online ladder at all.

My first rung that I see online has two contacts for inputs, two contacts for M bits, then the output coil is M150. M150 in the global(?) chart has no comment. The first "rung" in the pdf printout does not seem to match up at all. What is the difference here? What are FB and PROG bodies and Networks?

I wish I could open my own file because I'm more confused than I've ever been in the last 14 years and I know I'm not looking at anything very difficult!

Dear BJR,

You can long curse to software package and to programmers who wrote it all. But the situation of this better not be.

Little bit corrected and then compiled project is attached Click to view attachment

Complete printout of this project is attached Click to view attachment

Variable List in СSV-format is attached Click to view attachment

You can see all variables including of internal (local).

May be it will be enough for you

I don't understand why the project had to be modified to compile...... I just opened the project in GX IEC 7.03 (and presse OK to convert the project database to IEC 7.0 database type) and compiled it without errors..... You shouldn't have to modify anything!!!

Kaare_t

You didn't have to modify because you didn't update the libraries.

Hi
When I have opened the project I have permitted to update the manufacturer and standard libraries... Then project became to compile with errors, because with updated libraries the CMP-instruction has an bit-array output... Therefore, the changes are not serious (only for compiling ) and are not algorithmic.

Yes, normally I try not to modify the code/project before I can test it (less modification means that the compiler will most likely accept it). Then, if it works, I start with the "less critical" updates (like libraries and code generation).....


That's no problem, just "document" (tell us what you modified) at first (like you just did).... Then we all know what "corrections" you've done and why you did it.

The report:

1) In Global Variable I have modified the Variable Type from BOOL to ARRAY_OF_BOOL[0..2] for the follow 3 variables:
M_temp_bit1
M_hard_ant_lik
M_AntalMinResept.

2) In NW4 of Resept[PRG] I have changed M_AntalMinResept to M_AntalMinResept[0].

That's all.

Great man! Now we (and the topic starter) know that nothing critical has been modified when upgrading the project

Of course, you're right. I made a typical mistake ... To the man who itself do something, everyone always seems obvious.

My Mitsubishi dealer still has not even gotten back to me about returning GX developer, let alone ordering IEC version. I've bugged him twice now. Anyway, the two machines I'm working on have to run very soon and the IEC was going to take two weeks to order. Would someone mind opening the other program I have for me and creating the pdf file of all of the variables (Gambit? ) That is the only way I will be able to follow the program even though it will take me a long time to do it. Many thanks!

Here's the printout.

FYI: This project does not contain any local variables - only global variables which you can find in the list at the beginning! You also have some SFC programming (e.g. at page 115).....

If you want I can send you GX IEC Developer installation files via FTP. Instead of a serial number just enter DEMO.
You won't be able to download your program, but you'll be able to see the program.

That would be very helpful. Also, I will get to familiarize myself with both the software and the program before there are 10 people standing over my shoulder next week. Let me know what to do. By the way, my Mitsubishi dealer also tried this method but said he could not get a demo any quicker than the licensed copy anyway.

karre_t - Thanks for the help!

One more time? Last machine, I promise. I would like a pdf printout of this machine too please
Thank you!

Here's the printout