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Can I use just QJ71MES96 without the Q12DCCPU-V in MES interface? I am not sure if Q12DCCPU is still needed when monitoring only 1 PLC(Q03DVCPU) and sending data to a database.

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You don't need the Q12DCCPU-V MES IT Interface when using QJ71MES96. The QJ71MES96 is a standalone module like any other "Intelligent Module", which can handle DB transactions on it's own. Note that it is very limited when compared to the Q12DCCPU-V in regards to SQL handling.

Note that the QJ71MES96 cannot monitor remote CPU's. Only the local rack-CPU.

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if 17MES96  has the same function that i am looking for which is to write to a database(but even better if send a message to allen bradley but highly doubt) then I would just get this one.

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This may help. I just went over some of this with Mitsubishi yesterday. I am not a expert in this by far so my help with these modules is limited. 

My opinion I would keep the CCPU-V it is a very powerful device.  

If I am not mistaken on this, there are a few different options that you can have as far as MES with the CCPU-V. Is there a sticker on the top of the front of the module?

Here are the options I received yesterday if you have the right type Allen Bradly should be no issue. 

 

MES Offerings 2.xlsx

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I have yet to buy the MES interface or CCPU-V..well, based on the offerings. QJ71MES96US is my go-to for RA (contrologix) - mitsubishi communication. Since CCPU-V is not there, I assume it can do all listed functions and more since you can program with C language.

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I'm pretty sure that the excel sheet is a bit misleading:

As far as I know there is no module called "QJ71MES96US". I think that the excel sheet is something from a US supplier that have their own partnames or something.

There exists (in my knowledge) two different modules from Mitsubishi:

  1. QJ71MES96. No functionality for intercommunication between any PLCs (only in the same rack as the module)
  2. MES-InterfaceIT (CCPU-V). A bare module with the DeviceWise software loaded where you (at least in Europe) can specify the additional options you would like (as listed in the excel sheet as "Optional"). I think that all the "other" options in the excel sheets are basically CCPU-V with different names/options...

As a further note: You cannot program the MES-InterfaceIT module with C yourself. This module is loaded with a complete software package from DeviceWise, and has an external editor/software for programming the CPU. There's no need to (and you cannot) do any C code in it since you already have all oportunities available in the software.

In Europe you have to buy the bare module, and then purchase additional licenses for each function you want (like the excel sheet).

And again: The QJ71MES96 cannot do intercommunication between PLC's. You will need a MES-InterfaceIT module (CCPU-V).

You should really contact your local Mitsubishi dealer for more information and prices. The price difference between the two modules is very big.

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4 hours ago, kaare_t said:

As far as I know there is no module called "QJ71MES96US". I think that the excel sheet is something from a US supplier that have their own partnames or something.

Well dang, I literally got this sheet from Mitsubishi Tuesday,  just did a class on these modules. The modules with US in the title are WinCPU based not C. I am working on finding out if this is something only offered to my company or maybe just in the USA. It is definitely made by Mitsubishi though. I am starting to suspect only my company because they are not found on Mitsubishi web site. I am awaiting a reply from the Rep with more info.

 

I would also contact Mitsubishi in this case. That's what I did and how I got the Spread Sheet.

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9 hours ago, Mitsm83 said:

Well dang, I literally got this sheet from Mitsubishi Tuesday,  just did a class on these modules. The modules with US in the title are WinCPU based not C. I am working on finding out if this is something only offered to my company or maybe just in the USA. It is definitely made by Mitsubishi though. I am starting to suspect only my company because they are not found on Mitsubishi web site. I am awaiting a reply from the Rep with more info.

Interesting. Maybe there are some new modules in the line...!?

@Mitsm83: Please be so kind and keep us updated on this, I've not heard of these modules so it would be very interesting to know if they are only offered in the U.S. (or even just your company), or if they will arrive in the rest of the world...

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Okay, It took a few days but I got the answer. It appears they are offered in the Americas only as strange as that is. I will paste the part of the reply that would be useful to you. 

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The QJ71MES96IT was added later.  It is built on the CCPU (Q12DCCPU-V) so the OS language is “C”. 

The QJ71MES96US was added even later, and it was built around the WINCPU (Q10WCPU-W1-E), so the OS language is Windows based.  (Win XP Embedded)

- Internal DB

- Device data transfer

- Expanded DB connectivity

- roughly 4x processing power of MESIT

If you quote this module – make sure you use the QJ71MES96US, NOT Q10WCPU-W1-E

 

The “PRO” editions are identical hardware, they just add drivers.

This module is only available in the Americas (as far as I know). 

Both QJ71MES96IT – or “MESIT” for short, and the QJ71MES96US – or “MESUS”  utilize Telit’s DeviceWise software.  They both would be programmed using “Workbench”

 

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did they send you a reference/user manual for the MES96US? it is not available/searchable online yet.

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19 hours ago, CMike said:

did they send you a reference/user manual for the MES96US? it is not available/searchable online yet.

No, they did not.

Did you find a way to get a MES96US there? 

Do you know if there is a Mitsubishi rep for your area? They might have more info. 

Maybe you could use the manuals for Device Wise Workbench and Q10WCPU-W1-E  to do your set up if you found one of these modules. 

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@CMike: I really don't know why you want the MES96US module so badly since it's only available in the U.S., AND the MES96IT module is basically the same (except for the fact that you can choose which DB transports and protocols you would like to purchase). Here's my guess:

-The MES96IT has a base price (this I am sure of), and you can select the transports you want, and then purchase them.
- The MES96US has a "complete price" which is probably cheaper than purchasing all components separately, however do you really need all the transports in your project???

The MES96IT and MES96US are the same if you purchase all packages available, you can even extend the MES96IT with more than 1 device connection, so you get what you want by operating legal and purchasing the module in Europe.

So here's the big question: What do you want to accomplish by purchasing this module? What is your project about, and what do you need the MES96IT/Mes96US module for? Have you even considered the QJ71MES96 module (which is WAY cheaper)?

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@kaare_t im just curious as to why they have a US version as they supposedly support mitsubishi AB communication which is the end goal. The database transfer is just secondary goal. I am still  waiting for the mitsu rep for my inquiry.

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The price (at least for the MES96IT) is very high, so it would be cheaper to purchase a a third party communication card for each PLC (so that each PLC can talk to eachother). Alternatively even cheaper to maybe purchase an Anybus converter to route between the brands...

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 QJ71MES96 doesn't have near the features of QJ71MES96IT.  Plus, these communication modules were never supported well by Mitsubishi and now have been discontinued.  If you're looking for the functionality of exchanging data between PLCs and other automation controls back and forth with databases, check out the Data Commander MES gateway appliance.  The MES IT module had application features turned off to be able to run on the slow Atom processor used on Mitsubishi's C-based module running the software application.  The Data Commander is an appliance with a built in firewall that runs the full enterprise version of the same software application as dedicated firmware and is not reliant on any particular PLC CPU.  The Data Commander includes drivers to communicate in the native protocols of all major PLCs.  It translates protocols between PLCs and databases.  Anybus and other gateways are just that - a field bus gateway.  Only a Data Commander can auto enumerate PLC protocols for Select/Insert statements and Stored Procedures to exchange data with the MES/ERP databases on the Production Management Level (ISA-95) (unless you want to start a rat's nest with OPC).  Full disclosure: I worked in the Automation Specialist group for Mitsubishi USA and now am a manufacturer's rep for the Data Commander MES gateway appliance.

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@KearyD: I agree with you on many points regarding the QJ71MES/MES-IT modules, but as you can read the topic starter's goal was to transfer data between a Mitsu and an AB PLC, that's why I recommended an Anybus gateway in my post in May. I'm well aware that an Anybus gateway has nothing to do with the MES modules, however there's no need for the topic starter to purchase an expensive module (or unit) if he/she only needs a small amount of data transferred between a couple of PLC's with minor requirements to speed, and in addition only a secondary goal of achieving database connectivity. I just wanted to let you know why I ended up recommending a fieldbus gateway in my post in May '17.

That being said, the unit you are presenting looks very interesting (I'm sending you a PM right now, requesting some more information). Also: Be sure to make a post in the "For sale....." section in this forum. I would say that's a perfect place to promote the unit! :-)

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