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  1. CC-Link IE Protocols

    Hello, There seem to be a lot of different CC-Link IE protocols: CC-Link IE Field Basic CC-Link IE Field CC-Link IE Field Motion CC-Link IE Field Safety CC-Link IE Control CC-Link IE TSN This causes me some confusion. Are there as many variations of Ethernet/IP and PROFINET? Can you point me to a good comparison of the different CC-Link IE protocols? My understanding is that: CC-Link IE Field Basic: 100 Mb/s Non-deterministic? Good for non-time-critical communications (e.g., setting a drive speed) Implemented in software Traffic can co-exist with other TCP/IP traffic Max 64 stations Addressed by IP address Star topology I believe the other protocols are all 1 Gb/s, are deterministic, are addressed by station number, are implemented in hardware and each needs its own isolated network. CC-Link IE Control is used for communications between PLCs and robots. CC-Link IE Field is used for remote I/O and CC-Link IE TSN is used for even faster remote I/O communications. Please let me know if any of this is inaccurate. Thanks,
  2. Cp1E networking

    Hi everybody I am using CpP1E plc Wich as you know, has rs232, rs485 and peripheral ports. Actually I use the RS485 port for a HMI network. Also, I need to make another modbus network to transfer some binary signals (a fault module) to the plc.  So, can I use the RS232 port of the plc at the same time as the master device?  Thank you in advance       
  3. Cp1E networking

    Hi everybody I am using CpP1E plc Wich as you know, has rs232, rs485 and peripheral ports. Actually I use the RS485 port for a HMI network. Also, I need to make another modbus network to transfer some binary signals (a fault module) to the plc.  So, can I use the RS232 port of the plc at the same time as the master device?  Thank you in advance       
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  5. I hear a lot of people talking about the annoyance of price estimates (meaning they don't get a clear, transparent price from the beginning) and the costly engineering that seems to never end. Do you think that a step-by-step, clear process and course of action from A to Z would be beneficial for companies? And I'm not talking here about SCADA software, like Ignition. I'm talking about using Ignition to build and implement a fully working SCADA solution, customized to your company BUT you know exactly the price and the methods/processes that will be used (it's a replicable framework to get similar results for multiple companies - and the results would be a SCADA solution without the headaches of the unknown prices and engineering characteristics). Basically, a clear project-based approach rather than an hourly approach where things can get confusing.    Do you think the industrial space could use something like that?
  6. Are you working with networks for automation – and operational technology? Are you involved in planning, commissioning or maintaining industrial networks? We are looking for experts for operational technology networks like you for an online interview. We want to understand, how you work, what steps you take while working with your network/s and what you need to work well. The remote interview is going to take around 120 minutes and should take place between 09/14 and 09/30. For your time expenditure you will get a compensation of 200€. The interview will take place online via Zoom or Teams. We are counting on your support as an expert. If you are interested I am looking forward to your response, either via this forum or via eMail to j.walter@custom-interactions.com Let me know if you have any further questions! :)
  7. I have a 2 CompactLogix PLCs running right now, communicating CIP Safety and Standard data over Ethernet I/P.  For reasons I can't explain right now, the IP address of the second one HAS TO change semi-randomly (the 1st PLC is static).  Setting the 2nd PLC's IP to static or assigning it a static DHCP address is the obvious solution, but for the purpose of this question, that cannot be done. Is there a way to programmatically change its IP address on the 1st PLC's program?  (There is an HMI attached to the 1st PLC and adding a screen to enter in the new address would be trivial.)  The only bit I'm still missing is how do I change the IP address on the module in the 1st PLC so that it's pointed at the right IP address of the 2nd one when it changes.    I found instructions on how to use msg instructions, but that hasn't worked yet.  Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
  8. CC-Link Field IE networks

    Hello all.   This may be a very basic question, but I am confused about the varieties of CC-Link IE Field networks.   There are 3 listed, Basic, Field, and TSN.   Basic runs at 10 MBS and the others at 1 GBPS.   My question is if you have a CC-Link Field network, can you put a CC-Link Field Basic device on that network?  The cabling is the same (Cat 5E).  
  9. Hi everyone, Now the crisis has put myself out of job in short period of time I'm thinking of going Self-employed in Industrial Automation. The salary I could make while being employed would be around £35-50k in UK (even though I had limited experience on Mits and Siemens) which is quite a good salary in UK in this sector, depending on the job as well. I'm more of a hand on guy and I like working on site while prototyping in the lab, and I believe if I was a self-employed Industrial Automation Engineer I would thrive better for a few reason: - Limited schedules means I push myself to 100% of my abilities to help me develop and grow - Hands on, commissioning and prototyping - Higher risk and higher reward as prices are for projects not hours - After few years a possible income of around £70-120k - Possibility of developing my own solutions/programs/scripts/devices for customers in automated facility - Using python for Data science/analytics which is currently my hobby - Automated online diagnostics and maintenance improvments   I've never had a chance to cover all of the above previously and I believe there would be a huge demand for a person who can provide and prove a benefit to the businesses of all of the above subjects. I'm a great problem solver, regardless if it's an electrical or software issue however when I'm hired I don't feel the satisfaction from finishing job and I would rather move on the next project rather than stay still for a long period of time.   Are you guys self-employed/contractors? How did you start?   Thanks, Tom  
  10. Ok guys, this is more a networking question involving a Stratix 5700 managed switch and 5 machines. The five machines all have set IP addresses from the OEM that cannot be changed. The manufacturer has them set in the program to maintain that IP ,so if it sees the IP change it will change it back. With that being said all Five machines have the exact same IP configuration and I cannot change it without contacting the manufacturer and getting them to change it or sell me the program so i can change it. both options will costs entirely too much in my opinion. With that being said my only goal is to read tags from the PLC on each machine. Is there anyway to set each port on that Stratix switch where i can communicate with each  machine individually without causing them to have IP address conflicts with the other machines that have the same IP address. I hope I explained my question well enough. Thank you in advance for any help on this issue.
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  12. Does this device manage a traditional NAT 1:1 (outbound only) or an enhanced version of it (inbound/outbound) ? In my lab tests I was able to ping the machine device managed by NATR (on private port) using translation map defined In NATR (from priv to public port of the NATR)  but oI'm not able to access from public sunet to private hosts. Maybe because the 1:1 NAT is only outbound ?  
  13. Greetings I have an HMI in the form of an industrial PC, is ok to use an SC09 programming cable (8 pin DIN mini to USB type) as a permanent means of communicating between the FX3U PLC and industrial PC's USB port?   I am avoiding going through the trouble of buying a DB9 connector type for the PC end due to budget limitation. My CPU also doesn't have an ethernet card, i don't want to buy one either. i have already tested the connection and it works, i just want to understand the drawbacks of communicating via USB instead of ethernet or traditional serial.
  14. There have been many good discussions on the applicability of cloud-based solutions for manufacturing and process control systems. On one side, some people have concerns regarding security and control of the information, on the other side, there are identified benefits enabled by cloud systems. From VMS minicomputers to DOS and Windows, from ArcNet to Ethernet, it is inevitable the industrial automation systems shall adopt the technologies that are getting predominant in IT general use; the current environment that I am calling the “Cloud-iPad era” is no different; therefore the practical discussion is not if those new technologies will be applied in the industrial environment, but how. This paper is not intended to join the conceptual discussion about the cloud, but just to present a few simple practical examples, where cloud technologies are already enhancing industrial automation solutions and enabling new business opportunities. CloudPracticalApplications.pdf
  15. Lets say i have a PLC, with a name PLC1 with IP/Subnet of 10.125.34.243/255.255.255.0 I have to communicate this PLC1 with 2 other PLC's, PLC2 and PLC3 PLC2 with IP/Subnet of 10.125.34.10/255.255.0.0 PLC3 with IP/Subnet of 10.125.46.10/255.255.0.0 I imagine that, all these three are in different subnets, and so there should be no communication at all, but when i tested it, PLC1 to talking to/from PLC2 and not PLC3.  anyone know the answer to this ? How does it talk to PLC2 with different subnet, but not PLC3 which is in different subnet as well. 
  16. The 1980s brought the early adoption of the PC platform in automation systems and the first large projects, using the PCs to communicate with PLCs. In the following decades, supervisory and control systems technology evolved, creating several generations of software tools and automation products. A generation means an evolutionary step and a new platform, with a total change of the programming methods, user interfaces and paradigms, going beyond than the merely incremental improvements that are made during the maintenance life cycle of products; a new generation means renewing the internal architecture. GenerationsTecnologyIndustrialAutomationSoftware.pdf
  17. The 1980s brought the early adoption of the PC platform in automation systems and the first large projects, using the PCs to communicate with PLCs. In the following decades, supervisory and control systems technology evolved, creating several generations of software tools and automation products. A generation means an evolutionary step and a new platform, with a total change of the programming methods, user interfaces and paradigms, going beyond than the merely incremental improvements that are made during the maintenance life cycle of products; a new generation means renewing the internal architecture. GenerationsTecnologyIndustrialAutomationSoftware.pdf
  18. Industrial automation

    Hello! I am doing a project for an industry to make the sensor tools wireless. I am new to PLC. is it possible to make the measuring tools with sensors wireless with PLC? does it work on a industry environment and what kind of technology is best for comminucation? wifi or bluetooth?   The existing sensors are connected with wires to a screen which says if the product is ok or not ok. I need to make this wireless. Any suggestions to make it easy?   please suggest me the boards to buy to try prototyping.
  19. Remote I/O Choices

    I'm looking for some recommendations for remote I/O choices. I would like to create a standard remote I/O panel design for our product that would allow us to connect the panel to either a CompactLogix system over EthernetI/P or a Siemens system over Profinet. I'm not married to any particular manufacturer for the I/O and I don't mind having to change the part number for the communciation adpater between applications. I primarily use less than 16 digital inputs, 16 digital outputs, and 4 analog inputs on any given remote I/O rack. On rare occasions we will have an analog output or two. It's for water treatment processes, so response time is not overly critical - ms response times are more than sufficient. My local vendor just sent me a cut sheet for Turck's BL20 line with the multi-protocol Ethernet interface. That looks very promising. Does anyone have any experience with this line? I've also looked at Wago, Siemens, and Phoenix. They each have their +'s and -'s from my desk, but I'd love to hear some feedback from someone who's actually put them into service. I'd also love to hear other recommendations. Industrial Panel PC Manufacture at http://www.szjawest.cn/
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  22.   In a certain area of our facility we have several machine that manufacture a handful of products. These machines were built at random intervals starting in the late 80's and consequently have a range of different PLCs that are used to control them (SLC 500 to ControlLogix L61).   The other areas of our facility use a server that has a historian installed (Canary) and the client (Axiom) is installed on our computer so we can view data trends in real time.    I would like to network our PLCs mentioned in the first paragraph to this historian to gather production and maintenance data.   I know that I need to network these devices through an OPC server (which we have).   Several of these devices have been connected through DH+ and/or Ethernet networks in the past but are no longer connected.   We recently connected some of the DH+ Devices to the Ethernet network (just to see if we could) with a Prosoft AN-X2-AB-DHRIO.   My questions are:   Are there any best practices for networking devices with different protocols, i.e. DH+, Ethernet, etc.? Is the way we have it set up now (with the Prosoft DH+ to Ethernet bridge) a robust (scalable, etc.) solution? Is there a better way to do this? Is it worth getting EtherNet/IP cards for the PLCs that don't have them?   If anyone has any experience with a similar scenario, insights/advice would be much appreciated
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  24. Hi All, Networking guy here, looking for network experts on a AB PLC (1756-EN3TR/B v217021900) which seems to STOP ARPing for a device after 10 ARP's. The device is purposefully powered down, but when powered up, it can take minutes before the PLC sees it again. The PLC team says only changes in the PLC's logic are made. When an older backup is restored though, I do NOT see the issue somehow. 1) The devices that are powered down are back on the network and reachable within 10 seconds or so (ping). The initial thought was that they were not even on the network, but they are. Just that PLC shows a comms loss. 2) With the 'good code', the PLC, once the device is offine, keeps sending ARPs to find the device. The first one is a directed one, the subsequent ones are broadcasts. These broadcasts keep happening till the device is back online and is able to talk to the PLC again. 1st ARP after comms is lost: 474.423859     Rockwell_cf:a7:6c     Hilscher_2e:ea:08     ARP      60     Who has 192.17.150.208? Tell 192.17.150.30 Next and subsequent ARPs after the first one: 475.423471     Rockwell_cf:a7:6c     Broadcast             ARP      60     Who has 192.17.150.208? Tell 192.17.150.30 These ARPs keep happening every 1 second, till the device is online again. 3) With the bad code, the PLC, once the device is offline, sends only 10 ARP messages total and then stops sending ARPs altogethe . Then it takes 10 minutes* before it sends another one. If the device is backup online by that time, the PLC finds it right away. SO with these 2 different code bases, how is that a low level L2 protocol like ARP is impacted so much. The PLC team tells me that they have no idea and not set anything related to it. My question is where is the ARP network behaviour governed and how to change it? How can older code which supposedly only has changes in logic have different ARP behavior? * The 10 minutes interval might lead people to think it's a ARP timer and most likely it is, but then people usually ask about gratuious ARPS (garp) and I've verified that they make it through from the device to the PLC OK. If the device is offline for say a minute, the PLC mirrored port does indeed see the garps, yet at that point the PLC is no longer ARPing and regardless of that garp, it has to sit out the time till it sends a next ARP till it connects. Thus, I suspect the coming back to life process is governed by the PLC ARPing for it, and not by the detection of a garps. Thanks everyone!  
  25. Hello,             I need to communicate Power meters ( GE Multilin EPM 5500P) to  GE Multilin EnerVista Software. The present communication system uses Ethernet for communication from LAN Switch to Computer. There are a few existing Power Meters which need to be connected to the  Network. The Meters having output ports as RS485. I need to use a convertor for that right. So when I contacted GE they told me to use GE Multilinet Serial to Ethernet Convertor. But due to the price and unavailability of the material I am thinking to use a universal convertor. Is that compatible for Multilin Devices?? and In Case of using a universal Convertor does we need any other drivers for that. Please Help Me.. Thanks In Advance  mnetman-a3.pdf multinet (1).pdf PM-GE.pdf