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Thanks Michael ... I've loaded your project and .. thanks for using the NJ101-1000..    had to change the drive to R88D-KNA5L-ECT which is controlling a 50Watt G5 motor.  Is that a 1S motor?     The project is very basic.. I especially like that..  but, no global variables!  GADZOOKS!  that's almost too easy ..  I do have to create a project on the NA, would prefer to run it that way.. I've installed an IAG file: Machine.iag just the servo monitor part Would like to try and use it .. will add a FB for jogging too.. if I can.  All of the variables are internal .. which suggests I/O's .. I think I will try and create some Globals, and the HMI with the IAG .. you will certainly hear from me if I fail.. and if I succeed... Thanks again....

Michael ... that would be awesome!   I assume I'll need CN-1 I/O connection on the R88D-KNA5L-ECT for simulating the Home Proximity Signal?  ..  or is that better done using the GX-MD1611 I/O's ?    Thanks millions!   Regards, Michael

innoaloe -  Good to hear from you ... I'm glad you are checking the posts on this forum .. no idea how to send personal messages here.. as you can do on PLCs.net...   The whole point of this exercise is to wiggle the R5 motor like it was a linear motor .. never need to move more than 180 degrees plus or minus from zero..  just to demonstrate the NJ's ability to sum 10 sine waves of selected amplitude and frequency while slowly drifting the relative phases .. just a test of a structured text program, similar to what you proposed in my "Big Tricky Omron NJ Question" post.   The trick is to get the motor to go to "home" ... and... to answer your question... Nope ... not yet ....      But, that's the fun isn't it?

Bit N Bytes  ..Thanks for the reply .. I was worried it was just me .. well... It still could be just me.  Most normal people take the Omron classes  ..  But, I thought "how hard could it be!.. Well...  it shouldn't be this hard.. I've managed to learn Siemens S7 1200 series systems, Red Lion G3 HMI's, Delta Motion Motion controllers and many of the LinMot linear motors and servos.  I could be mistaken ('cause I'm a nube) but Omron seems way too complicated .. and has way too many manuals...  you read one of their manuals.. and every other sentence is a reference to another manual! .. how are you supposed to stay on track .. if you are constantly bouncing from one manual to another...  sorry... more ranting.

FOUND THEM!    Here FYI:   https://omca.app.box.com/s/r5gwb20sonklb0cvacfi4qpkzgx88ic2

Anyone ever have this happen:   launch Network Config.. Go online, upload the devices that are there:                         The NJ, The NA HMI, and a Ethernet/IP Generic drive (The EDS has been installed) ..  that's what you see above ..Click OK , and a "NO" to start a new list ... and get:                                                                       Really .... DUH! .. where are the devices?                            Anyone have any idea why the 3 devices didn't show up on the network line?     Thanks much... Regards, Michael    

Crossbow - thanks for the info .. everything's working fine now.    No updates required ... yet ..

While creating some pages yesterday for the NA HMI, using Studio V1.17, I went to look for "images" to make some cool buttons.  Looking in Properties/Design/Image ..  some research told me I'll need to look for a file on this path: C:\Program Files\OMRON\CX-One\CX-Designer\intaparts\BMPfiles\ problem was... I didn't have CX-One ... or any BMP files (related to Omron) So, the question is.. Did Sysmac Studio ever get around to providing such "Image files" for HMI objects?   If so, can they be downloaded without having to purchase CX-One?    Thanks, Regards, Michael

Thanks Innoaloe .. no problem there, this particular drive is recognizable by Sysmac Studio, the file for the tools library exists... Now the trick is to generate the random position curve using the NJ.  I'm working on a method that would use a random number generator to control the phases of the wave's components..  If a "seed" can be used.. the trace would be repeatable ..  Perhaps, this is for another Forum.

Mr Pfhart -  Indeed! ... and a fine library too.. the trick was knowing it existed... and how to find it.  Kinda  like Archaeology .. searching for the lost city in a vast rain forest ... Innoaloe - The project is doing well... this is what it looks like when a Delta Motion MC and a Red Lion G3 HMI does it all:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQd6YzBWVvI Now.. if you mean the project where Omron does it all .. I guess it's doing OK .. Because I'm new to Omron, and I have to read 50 to 100 manuals each with about 1000 pages.. it's gonna take a while.  One thing that would help a lot would be an "Example Project file (.smc2) "  where Omron NJ, the NA HMI and a LinMot drive were doing something together.  I have found a Project file using a LinMot Ethernet/IP and the NJ.. but no HMI (so it's hard to follow the global variables).. But, It's a big help.  Also, LinMot has published one Project file which uses their EtherCAT DS drive.. but, it too doesn't include the NA HMI.    I know how to configure & program the LinMot ... but, seeing how someone has done a servo drive with Omron using the HMI for control.. would be very helpful.    I haven't found any "example" programs on Omron's site .. yet... still looking, and .. asking.. There is nothing automatic in my project.. the "machine" is always adjusted and run by an operator (A student, scientist or the public... as in a museum)

I was too .... but the Auto-Updater didn't think so....  After my re-install finishes .. if that update shows up again, I'll get the version number for it and post it...

Just a comment on the Omron "libraries" While they are great references ... and that log of just about every Omron manual ever made .. updated .. is just awesome..  However, the 3 Libraries aren't  what I was looking for.  I was looking for the actual (.smc2) file...  These libraries are "plans" for making a file from scratch, which look really cool .. But, I'm worried it would be too long a process for me.. and would certainly require serious debugging .. which would also be a good training experience .. but, I think it would take too long.   I would do it in a minute if the example was "exactly" what I needed .. but, none of the three are.   'Tho, I might try to make this one:  http://www.edata.omron.com.au/eData/NA/V436-E1-01.pdf  I have all the parts, already assembled ... might give it a go... But,  still looking for a "project file" .... assuming I can change the NJ to: NJ101-10[][] , the Servo Drive to: R88D-KN[]-ECT, the HMI to: NA5-7W[][][][] .. How hard could it be?. Thanks, Regards ... Michael PS: couple of days later:... Decided to build the file (see above link) .. and request the IAG objects needed from Omron.. (Didn't really need IAG objects) .. It's a bit more than I wanted.. But, It's all good training... might even be fun.  (Remember, I'm not planning to be an Automation Engineer .. just want to do this one project..) 

I've put together an NJ, NA, R5 servo .. and LinMot Drive setup for training (myself) for a project that requires streaming position data to the LinMot.  It's going well.  I find "example" project program files are great for studying the Omron NJ ystem.  I'm not totally dim.. but am a newbie... with  enough knowledge to get in trouble (frequently)   This is what I am expecting to do with the NJ's motion control module:    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQd6YzBWVvI I managed to get a Delta Motion MC and Red Lion G3 to make that happen.  I would like to try and do it with Omron.   LinMot has only one ESI file for Omron NJ .. at the moment Sysmac V 1.17 doesn't like it (red exclamation mark in the ESI library), therefore their drive doesn't show up in the Tools device SERVO menu (working on it) I'm asking this Omron Nj Forum for  a program file that has the NJ CPU, a servo drive, preferably R5 ..(R88D) and the NA HMI all working happily together, servo is controlled by the HMI (don't need any I/O's)..   Kind of simple.... something you might expect Omron to have available.   I've asked... No reply yet.  I suspect that most of you out there have only very complex project files.. and are probably proprietary; however, perhaps there's one simple .smc2 program buried in your hard drive from the old days when you might have done simple things ...      If so, please consider posting it here.   Thanks, Regards ... Michael  

Thanks a lot Solheim95 -  That's a great help.  I will definitely research  www.edata.omron.com.au I am a beginner .. but, at what point are you no longer a beginner? ...     I'm somewhere between a Beginner and a Master Automation Engineer.        Sounds better that way... yes.. I'm closer to the beginner end .. yet, will never reach the opposite end, because this is all for just one project. PS:  That site in Australia is amazing!  This alone is unbelievable:   http://www.edata.omron.com.au/eData/manuals.html#NA

Actually... the problem was the "Path" provided by Omron's on-line training school.   Program Files  should have been Program Files (x86)  ... makes all the difference in the world. It's a bit of a pain having to open that BMP folder .. but, there's zillions of good objects there ... the one I was looking for, to enhance a rather plane button, was ...BMPFiles\LampSwitch-Rectangle\ LSW_40 and LSW_41  ... Apparently, you don't have to have CX-One or CX-Designer.. Just some of their files.. which apparently are included in the Sysmac install....

Thanks for the info Innoaloe ... I don't have much need for CX-One or CX-Designer ..  My work with Omron is very limited to this one project I'm doing where the Motion Control module in the NJ is managing streaming position data to a LinMot servo drive & linear motor to make model ocean waves.  You already helped me once in that project... Thanks again... PS:  Could you be more specific about the "cool customization tool" you mentioned in Sysmac for the NA ?     I haven't discovered anything other than "simple" ... in buttons and switches .. perhaps I've missed something (I am a newbie ya know)

Sorry - Panic Mode ... It's name is "Safety Bypass Connector" ... I don't think you would be able to answer.. unless you were certain of what it was...  It's a little block about 1 inch long and 3/8 inch square.. which fits into a special socket on the G5 series Servo Drives .. when inserted.. it clicks in, and locks ... and, disables the safety circuits of the drive .. making the drive.. "unsafe" ...for some of the more adventurous users out there.    I wanted to remove it, but, have not done so before... and found it tricky.. especially with all the other connections crowding the area on the drive... It is not intuitively obvious how the connector is withdrawn.. and, Omron makes no explanatory attempt in all the thousands of pages and hundreds of manuals published about this equipment. I knew if I posted a request for the secret process... I would eventually figure it out.. and so, I removed a few other plugs which were blocking my fingers.. and moved in close... after experiencing a few failures while gently using a small screw driver, also squeezing a tab on the left and gently pulling .. and, again failing.. I decided to push the tab toward the Drive, while pulling back on the connector.. and it came out ... a large boulder then dropped from the ceiling, and smashed the dang drive flat .. so, I guess I can close out this thread...    If it weren't for your comment.. I would have.... sigh!

It's also a different Drive ...

Does the basic NJ I/O unit CJ1W-MD232 work only on the EtherCAT network of the NJ.. or can it be programed to function on the NJ’s Ethernet/IP network? I’m thinking it can’t .. and I’ll have to use the EtherNet/IP Coupler: NX-EIC202 ? Thanks, Regards, Michael  

BobB - We can't go on meeting like this!   The NJ definitely has an Ethernet/IP port .. real cool.. but, not with all the bells and whistles as the EtherCAT port  ... With the NJ.. you use both ports .. but generally you don't use the Ethernet/IP port for Motion Control  ... But, you can if you want to do the work...    

Thanks BobB... that was quick!    You even replied to me in PLCs.net      Ya know.. It's presented as a "Basic" I/O module for NJ...  The NJ works with two networks, Ethernet/IP and EtherCAT ... They don't say that the module only works for the EtherCAT network ... so, how would I know?   True, I am somewhat of a Nube .. but, I've worked with Siemens, Red Lion, LinMot, Delta Motion, Tolamatic & IAI equipment..  but, that doesn't mean I know what I'm doing...  When I succeed, It's generally because of great manuals, and company support... and this or other forums..   I just assumed the Ethernet/IP port on the NJ was fully functional .. Sure, it won't have all the support (function blocks etc.) that's available on the EtherCAT Port... but, it ought to be possible to do just about anything Ethernet/IP on that port..    So, I've a nice I/O module connected to the NJ.. and it only works for EtherCAT (If that's what I'm hearing)   and... I assume... If I want I/O on the NJ's Ethernet/IP network, I will have to use the Coupler NX-EIC202, with perhaps a NX-MD6256-5 (16x16 mixed) and a End Cover:NX-END01 (If it doesn't come with the coupler)  Also, the NX-EIC202 is listed in the Network Configurator .. and the CJ1W-MD isn't listed.        Is all this correct? Thanks much... expiring minds need to know.

Thanks Crossbow...  I forgot to follow this....  sigh!

Thanks BobB ... I suspected the I/O cards were the same..'cept I thought they had different part numbers ..  I looked a little harder.. and you are right!  They are the same...DUH!   Long as I have you .. (:-))   Would you please comment on this question: http://forums.mrplc.com/index.php?/topic/31989-basic-digital-io-on-the-njs-ethernetip-network/ Thanks....

Hi... as an interested party, and new to the NX-EIC202 Coupler, which I understand it is a Ethernet/IP coupler.   I'm wondering why you are using an ID5442 card, which is intended for the EtherCAT coupler?  Also, the card is mounted next to the power supply?     I'm curious what the model number is, and where that power supply is listed in the Omron literature. Thanks Regards, Michael

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